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Broadcaster Bob RA
Glendale, California, USA   USA
I need to ask a question
Has anyone replaced a Morgan plus 4 engine with any engines other than the normal units employed in the car by the manufacturer. Volvo 1800? Miata? GM? any thing ?
Thanks

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mhmalone Morgan Malone
Swansea, MA, USA   USA
GM engines have been done. Honda S2000 has been done. Ford Zetec with Ford T9 transmission is an obvious choice for 4/4's or anyone who's already put a T9 in a +4. I've never seen a miata engine in a morgan, but I always thought it would be right for a 4/4. If I was to swap the drive line in a +4 today I'd probably look at the miata transmission and ford engine... basically what the factory is doing.

Broadcaster Bob RA
Glendale, California, USA   USA
You sound very knowledgeable ...How about the total Miata drive train transplant with added advantage of air conditioning :-)

I would seriously contemplate that as I have no care about resale value

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Button Bill B
Seattle, Washington, USA   USA
In reply to # 11555 by Broadcaster You sound very knowledgeable ...How about the total Miata drive train transplant with added advantage of air conditioning :-)

I would seriously contemplate that as I have no care about resale value

I have a '61 DHC that the Prior Owner installed a Fiat/3 spd GM automatic. I changed this to a 1998 ZETEC with T9 transmission. A Miata drive train should be a "Slam Dunk".

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Broadcaster Bob RA
Glendale, California, USA   USA
Thank you
I bought an old miata with 1800 cc engine and AIR CONDITIONING (very Important in Southern California) a year ago and slowly I have restored the running gear to almost new
To go a step bolder what do you thing about getting rid of all the front suspension and steering in Morgan and and fitting the Miata front suspension. Is that feasible?
You seem to know a great deal and I appreciate the knowledge

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Seattle, Washington, USA   USA
In reply to # 11570 by Broadcaster Thank you
I bought an old miata with 1800 cc engine and AIR CONDITIONING (very Important in Southern California) a year ago and slowly I have restored the running gear to almost new
To go a step bolder what do you thing about getting rid of all the front suspension and steering in Morgan and and fitting the Miata front suspension. Is that feasible?
You seem to know a great deal and I appreciate the knowledge

I have no idea about fitting a Miata front suspension to a Morgan. I did drive a Miata in New Zealand, top to bottom and back to Auckland. It was fun, but not exactly a soft ride. The Morgan Road Handling is the best of the best IMO, and I would not change it. However; I would maintain it (grease).

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Broadcaster Bob RA
Glendale, California, USA   USA
Your advice is valuable I will keep things simple ....Are all parts available steering? suspension etc? I hear terrible things about St. Malvern Dance at 60mph the terrible scuttle shake

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Button Bill B
Seattle, Washington, USA   USA
In reply to # 11572 by Broadcaster Your advice is valuable I will keep things simple ....Are all parts available steering? suspension etc? I hear terrible things about St. Malvern Dance at 60mph the terrible scuttle shake

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Yes: In the U.S. "Morgan Spares" is the Morgan Supplier. St. Malvern's Dance can be cured. Something is wrong "FIX IT"!!!!! Wheels out of round not true. Tires out of balance. Tires damaged. Wheel alignment out. Some say "Damper Blades". I use a thrust bearing and no damper blades. There is a Steering damper sold by "Cal-Racing" that I have bolted in My Morgans, but they are not used. Some say King Pin/bushes worn out. If so fix them. But I doubt that is the problem.

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Broadcaster Bob RA
Glendale, California, USA   USA
Thank you I know Morgan Spares
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morganincanaries Avatar
Gjettum, Baraeum, Norway   NOR
There is a second hand dealer in Belgium that has a 4/4 with a MG 1500 engine. A US car converted. I thought seriously about this car but went with a proper Kent engine one. I think engine swaps in a Morgan is not really a good idea. I have had several TR 4s and always fought a tough battle with rear oil leaks. Now I understand there is a cure but the Kent is such a lovely engine that I would swap that around any day for a TR 3-4 engine car anyway.

Broadcaster Bob RA
Glendale, California, USA   USA
I lived in England for 47 years before my work settled me down in the USA. I am not a man of great means . This dictates what I can and cannot do.

Unfortunately in the USA anything European is expensive and difficult to reach. (Easy if you have the financial means). In California and Arizona and Nevada still it is possible (getting harder) to find nice projects at a reasonable price to be had and enjoyed and restore ..keeping the old patina.

Miata was a great success in the USA and therefore there are so many specialists who do fine work on them and spares are cheap and plentiful. (Plus they have air conditioning). These cars were designed based on improvements on British sports cars of the 60's and from 1997 onwards they were offered in 1800 cc as well.

In preparation for my project I bought a Miata last year and slowly I am restoring the drive train while driving. Every now and then I put some money on it and get parts done. According to my calculations as well as the expert advice it is not going to be a hard transplant

I am retiring soon so I need something that I do not need to crawl under it for hours ( have done that in Jaguars and MGs in my earlier days ) and that drive train provides me Japanese reliability, durability and longevity and availability of spares for years to come.

What would happen to the rest of the Miata? They are snapping up bodies for racing etc and they sell relatively quickly here in California ...so I may even get some change back from the rest of the car.

What happens to the integrity of the Morgan as a car?....Well since its conception as a 3 wheeler as well as 4 wheeler later on, they inserted so many different engines in them (Including BMW) that a Miata derivative can be seen as (In the spirit of Morgan)

What happens to the value of the Morgan? .....As the car may travel in the speeds of winds and hurricanes I will finish by quoting a famous saying that after I have passed “Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn” :-)

Button Bill B
Seattle, Washington, USA   USA
In reply to # 11581 by Broadcaster I lived in England for 47 years before my work settled me down in the USA. I am not a man of great means . This dictates what I can and cannot do.

Unfortunately in the USA anything European is expensive and difficult to reach. (Easy if you have the financial means). In California and Arizona and Nevada still it is possible (getting harder) to find nice projects at a reasonable price to be had and enjoyed and restore ..keeping the old patina.

Miata was a great success in the USA and therefore there are so many specialists who do fine work on them and spares are cheap and plentiful. (Plus they have air conditioning). These cars were designed based on improvements on British sports cars of the 60's and from 1997 onwards they were offered in 1800 cc as well.

In preparation for my project I bought a Miata last year and slowly I am restoring the drive train while driving. Every now and then I put some money on it and get parts done. According to my calculations as well as the expert advice it is not going to be a hard transplant

I am retiring soon so I need something that I do not need to crawl under it for hours ( have done that in Jaguars and MGs in my earlier days ) and that drive train provides me Japanese reliability, durability and longevity and availability of spares for years to come.

What would happen to the rest of the Miata? They are snapping up bodies for racing etc and they sell relatively quickly here in California ...so I may even get some change back from the rest of the car.

What happens to the integrity of the Morgan as a car?....Well since its conception as a 3 wheeler as well as 4 wheeler later on, they inserted so many different engines in them (Including BMW) that a Miata derivative can be seen as (In the spirit of Morgan)

What happens to the value of the Morgan? .....As the car may travel in the speeds of winds and hurricanes I will finish by quoting a famous saying that after I have passed “Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn” :-)

If You have a Miata that is not trash, why not keep it intact and drive it. Miata's are a delightful car to drive. I enjoyed My Sister In Laws for a 5 week tour of New Zealand. What is left of the original drive train in Your +4?

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Broadcaster Bob RA
Glendale, California, USA   USA
I still have the Miata and the engine and transmission are still in the Miata. My son put a hard top on it last winter as we did not want to spend money for the rag top

As we also had the air condition working it was OK to do that. My son wants the car and he is planning to put another race prepared engine in it. Like I said once I am done with it I don't care . He can do what he wishes with the rest I know we would get at least 3 K for it The top is worth about $1500 original factory top . I will perhaps end up giving the rest of the car to my son

Right now I am concentrating on Morgan as it is a non runner right now. Engine shot, Dashboard non existent but Frame and body nice and solid . I really don't care about where the car has been or what is its pedigree I want it to have BRG color rather than rusty
non existent red colour ...we can do the seats ...there are some Mexican upholsterers here do wonders with a piece of black leather and a sawing machine...cheap and their body shops turn old American rusty muscle cars into beautiful artifact at a very reasonable price. That is where the Morgan will be heading soon. The manpower is there and these folks don't know what a Morgan is but .........soon they will

Button Bill B
Seattle, Washington, USA   USA
Why not rebuild the TR engine. They are easy to rebuild with wet liners. I just rebuilt mine for about the third time. Just keep it stock. I have driven My '63 +4 all over the U.S. and even shipped it to Europe for LeMans. Great car IMO. BTW I also have a '61 DHC with Zetec/T9 and a +8 Bitsa I built from wrecked +8's. The +4-4Str is the best of the best.

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TCTND Phil T
Santa Cruz, California, USA   USA
I support your Miata transplant completely. My own car is S2000 powered. In some cars the engine is the soul ( a Chevy transplant into a 911 renders it no longer a Porsche) but Morgan has always used proprietary engines and, had circumstances dictated , would have had no compunctions about installing the excellent Miata powerplant themselves. Just my opinion.
regards,
Phil

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